Author Topic: Flashing 9th Gen ECU (Read 1618 times)

SPD_FRK · « **on:** November 18, 2011, 06:49:48 PM »

I am starting this topic, the stuff happening over on Club4g.org with those guys for the past 4yrs just has my stomach in knots feeling for them. I shot Isaurio a text message tonight and he referred me to EvoSacn website for a USB Flash Drive...and damn...there it was.

This is GREAT NEWS, though $300 plus the cost of a Tactrix cable, it's more expensive than previous model years (except Evo X models). THis is HUGE people, and I am sharing it here as I never found it elsewhere, thanks go to Isaurio for this one!

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MMCFlash Vehicle Reprogramming

What is MMCFLASH?
MMCFlash utilises EvoScan 1.3U and 1.3R cables for reprogramming ECUs, most modules support OpenPort 2.0, and will soon support new EvoScan 2008+ CAN cables ($43USD). MMCFlash is downloadable software that supports the OpenECU community for openly shared roms and xml table definitions. There is no locking of reflashing software to one vehicle, and there is no software limit on the number of times you can read and write to the ECU.

MMCFlash features 3 simple but very powerful operations:
1) Read ECU
2) Checksum & Write ECU (only the rom in memory being uploaded to the ecu will get the new checksum, not the file on disk. Read the ROM from the ecu afterwards to see the updated checksum.)
3) Write ECU.
Use Evoscan MapTracer or Ecuflash to edit map files based on openecu community xml files.

You read the ROM with MMCFlash, and then use ECUFlash to modify the ROM's. Then you use the MMCFlash to write the file into the ECU.

For those that can use Ecuflash at the moment, there is no benefit in this product. It only benefits those that ECuflash won't work with. Due to you editing the rom still in Ecuflash, you use the current xmls.

MMCFlash gives you the ability to flash many vehicles. No map editing capabilities. yes it flashes many Mitsubishi, Mazda Speed, Ford, Yamaha cars, including all USDM, JDM, AUDM, EUDM models. There has been no openECU xmls for many of these vehicles, mostly because theres never been any Openport software to successfully read/write these ecus. And the closed software that does have the tables mapped out, costs in excess of $1,000s.

I understand that not everyone may know how to create table xmls for ROMs, but there are hundreds in the openecu community that do. And many tuners may want to get a step ahead of the competition by developing their own xmls. Lots of tuners keep xmls well guarded. But there is also a lot posted on forums. If you need some xmls for a specific rom, post it on the relevant forums. I will also be collecting existing/new xmls and posting them on the EvoScan roms and xmls database here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Unlimited Vehicles ECU reprogramming

Latest Version MMCFlash Software to reprogram ecu.
Free Copy of Latest EvoScan Software to datalog.
Download ECUFlash to edit maps.
Use Free Community EcuFlash
rom tables metadata XMLs

Read and write Vehicle ECUs, MH8301F, MH8302F, MH8303F, MH8304F, MH8201F *NEW*
Supports Open Port 2.0
Supports recalculation of Mitsubishi ROM Checksum.

MH8301F (512K) - 2001 Montero Sport 3.5L; 2001 Pajero 3.0;
MH8302F (512K) - since 2004 Galant 2.4L MIVEC; Outlander 2003-2005; Outlander CU5W 2.4
AT MIVEC 07/05 - 12/08; from 2003 Montero Sport 3.5L 4WD; from 2004 Galant 3.8L V6; 06-09 Eclipse GT ;
MH8303F (768k) - from 2006 Outlander AWD AT; from 2006 Outlander 2.4L 4WD AT MIVEC;
MH8304F (512K & 768k) - from 2005 Galant 2.4L; Colt 1.3 2004-2008;

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stayer · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2011, 09:10:24 PM »

Oh yes, finally I can hear the good news. I really need to reflash ECU 9G (2010). Look forward to continue.

mysticj · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2011, 10:04:46 AM »

Good news indeed. Now maybe the 4G's can stop whining about alternate tuning solution. $500 reflash solution vs roughly $600 PnP Aem F/IC...hmmm

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:23:41 AM »

Funny thing is I posted this on Club4g and it has stirred the pot something fierce!

Brianj seems to think this doesn't work at all, yet nobody has even tried it and it is described as doing the SAME thing that hackish has been doing.

Isaurio · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2011, 04:47:24 PM »

I belive no one have got that drive since is so much money. People are are not getting a open port 2.0 because is 175 around. Also the flashdrive works with open port and u could pull the rom with the right checksum. I spoke to the developer of the mmcflash and he said that works for all mitshu models. Also mitsu swap pcm for a bosch computer not hitachi like the h8 and sh rom for the 8g. For our goals we need the rom so we could get maps ideas for tuning the 6g75.

Soooonn very soon i have a big suprice for the 4cly and v6 stock computers.

Hit hit. Load 100+

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2011, 05:24:02 PM »

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I belive no one have got that drive since is so much money. People are are not getting a open port 2.0 because is 175 around. Also the flashdrive works with open port and u could pull the rom with the right checksum. I spoke to the developer of the mmcflash and he said that works for all mitshu models. Also mitsu swap pcm for a bosch computer not hitachi like the h8 and sh rom for the 8g. For our goals we need the rom so we could get maps ideas for tuning the 6g75.

Soooonn very soon i have a big suprice for the 4cly and v6 stock computers.

Hit hit. Load 100+

Yes, the guys on club4g are pissing an moaning saying it doesnt work and blah blah blah...no wonder they are still waiting 4 years for something.

Tuning the 75 is no issue on the 8th Gen, though some maps would be nice to see maybe, but they become "void" once you start tuning everything anyways. Once you start tuning the ROM it is not even close to OEM.

mysticj · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2011, 05:30:16 PM »

Why are they doubting Evoscan?! Really?! They do so much for the Mitsu/Subie crowd...Tepha Mods won't be possible without Evoscan...Period.

Isaurio · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2011, 08:08:24 PM »

Im going to get a 75 computer. Wire it up all the odbii wires. And i will pull out the rom.

foxbrand · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2011, 12:04:19 AM »

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Funny thing is I posted this on Club4g and it has stirred the pot something fierce!

Brianj seems to think this doesn't work at all, yet nobody has even tried it and it is described as doing the SAME thing that hackish has been doing.

that's pretty typical for club4g, the moment somebody posts something that is of use, it gets shot down by somebody who doesn't know too much about it, I distinctly remember somebody on there saying once that porting cylinder heads is useless, and we know that's not the case, this is the same sort of thing, sadly this is also true with other forums around the world

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2011, 12:33:29 AM »

If it wasn't the holiday time of the year and I had gifts to buy for my son, believe me BHM would have bought one of these flash drives to put to the test to see if it really worked or not.

If it worked then great, those communities, as well as tthis one (for our 9th Gen owners), would have a verified and fully functional tuning method instead of still waiting for results after one person spending 4 years on the job. We understand how much time and effort it takes for this type of software development, but to take money from the community, the lack of direct participation within that community, and the length of time it has taken still to readily produce anything for said community, it just seems ignorant for them to not be open minded and willing to accept another item for them to use.

Check out the thread over there;
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Brianj seems to be the only one who is so "against" the flash drive even working or being an option...not sure why since nobody has even touched the product.

stayer · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2011, 09:04:18 AM »

I need to open the ECU. In the nearest time I install a supercharger, I'll need to read the ECU. Matt or Isaurio, I appeal to you. You can buy all you need and use. I am ready to then buy it from you. Can I pay by Pay Pal or Western Union. You make the postal item in Russia. You will be able to do so?" Price can be discussed in private messages. Help me please!

Isaurio · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2011, 12:23:29 PM »

Ok i will try my best to get this ball rolling. The pcm are still a litle expensive so i need to save to get one and do some stand alone wirering. Funny thing is all about checksum of the pcm. I was able to pull out the full 512k of my 02 galant a/t i just had to change some values on the ecuflash read template. If i readajust and find out the checksum number in the 75 i could make a xml read for the ecuflash to pull it.

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2011, 12:56:23 PM »

That would be awesome Isaurio. I have a local 4th Gen owner out here who is going to try and pick up the flash drive module so we can test one out to see if they work or not. I got a PM from hackish on the 4th Gen boards that supposedly many have tried using the flash drive (though I still have yet to find anything documented by that community over there for the item, if you search the thread I have been posting in is the only one to come up). Apparently, those who have used the flash drive have bricked their ECU.

That is ok and all, because the flash drive is just an interface software, and if the ECU is bricked, then we should be able to use EcuUnlocker as we do on the other platforms with bricked ECUs.

RaCh3T8G · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2011, 06:37:04 PM »

Wow, seems like they're even worse than the c3g guys

but if this method works it'll be a big step forward for the 9G/4G platform. I thought they were able to tune just like we were instead of using a FIC.

foxbrand · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2011, 06:42:40 PM »

there's a 9g ralliart owner I know in my area that might be interested in this if and when he gets headers

mysticj · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2011, 08:05:02 PM »

its a clusterfuck over there....u give them option and ppl freak out

infliction · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:09:18 PM »

wow. glad i didnt miss this. tho im sure from what youve said i'll see something on 4g.
i'll be intrested if its proven. ive been a supporter of hackish, but they seem to be focusing on easier platforms with much more demand. that and they have a 4g69 on hand at all times to do with what they wish. they dont have a hands on 6g75 without someone giving up their car for however much time. it isnt that they cant do it. but i dont blame them for doing something to make more money first. ive wanted them to succeed. but if this works its better for the community right now.

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:34:12 PM »

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wow. glad i didnt miss this. tho im sure from what youve said i'll see something on 4g.
i'll be intrested if its proven. ive been a supporter of hackish, but they seem to be focusing on easier platforms with much more demand. that and they have a 4g69 on hand at all times to do with what they wish. they dont have a hands on 6g75 without someone giving up their car for however much time. it isnt that they cant do it. but i dont blame them for doing something to make more money first. ive wanted them to succeed. but if this works its better for the community right now.

One of the members over there got an email back from Hamish, owner of EvoScan. He said that he has not confirmed operation of the MMCFlash on the 4th Gen vehicle, but stipulated that if the item did not work it could be sent back for a full refund, or he would be able to work on it to make it compatible for that platform.

Needless to say that community, most notably BrianJ has a very bleek outlook for the product ever working, let alone any type of additional support offered by Hamish to get the item to work. I am very disappointed to see the community throw all their "eggs in one basket" with just hackish working on it for nearly 4 years now, and still yet to make a full release of the software.

This is why I mentioned the MMCFlash over there thanks to Isaurio for pointing it out to me. Even if they item didn't work initially, Hamish was clearly willing to get the product's full functionality for that platform. This is where I & BHM stepped in and have been in contact directly with Hamish to see if we can get our hands on a MMCFlash to test out and work directly with Hamish to get the product working, thus giving another option for the 4th Gen Eclipse and 9th Gen Galant owner to tune sucessfully as we have with the 8th Gen and 3rd Gen, not to mention the Evo platform as well.

I just don't see the point of waiting on one developer when there is clearly a second out there willing, and capable of getting that platform's Ecu tuning up and running.

Isaurio · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2011, 08:07:49 PM »

Great work Matt. Lets get this rolling.

BrianJ · « **Reply #19 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:06:21 PM »

Hey guys! I guess I need to explain a few things here...but first I want to preface by saying that I've never personally messed with a 9G Galant ecu, although I believe they are essentially the same as the 4G Eclipse ecu so I would expect to see the same issues...

So, with that being said, I don't have any issue whatsoever with this product...Ive been wanting a reflash solution for this platform from day one...the issues I have are that it was never tested on a 4G/9G ecu...all I wanted to do was wait for clarification from Evoscan whether or not it had actually been tested...it turns out it hasn't.

Now I know that doesn't mean that evoscan couldn't work on it, (even though they said in years past they had no interest in it, yes, we've been over this with them in the past) but the problem I have here is this...evoscan wants the end user to buy the package, and "test it"...that's evoscans job as the company selling it...NOT the end user.

What happens when it doesn't work and it "bricks" the ecu? Well SPD_FRK seems to think that's ok, because we can just "unbrick" it just like we do with all the other ecus we work on... Well, what makes you think that if you cant flash it that you can recover it if it gets bricked???!!! Chances are that, without the proper research done beforehand, (like hackish has been doing) if the ecu gets bricked it'll probably never be useable...then you're out the cost of a new ecu! Or at the least having to pay someone like hackish who actually has flashed these ecus to fix it for you...all the while you're without your daily driver having to rent a car to get back and forth to work...etc.etc.

My point is this...if someone wants to "try" this, then by all means go for it...but go into it with all the possibilities and responsibilities ready to be assumed...be prepared to buy a new ecu if needed, and have your car disabled for awhile...etc.etc. Assuming that it can just be recovered without any problem is NOT known to be true...

I wish good luck to anyone who wants to try this, I'm just saying to be prepared for the worst. We've been through this with many companies since 2006, and NO ONE, with the exception of hackish has been able to pull this off...

If you can get it to work, great, I may even try it myself...good luck to whoever wants to try to get it to work...

BrianJ

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #20 on:** November 23, 2011, 10:30:11 PM »

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Hey guys! I guess I need to explain a few things here...but first I want to preface by saying that I've never personally messed with a 9G Galant ecu, although I believe they are essentially the same as the 4G Eclipse ecu so I would expect to see the same issues...

So, with that being said, I don't have any issue whatsoever with this product...Ive been wanting a reflash solution for this platform from day one...the issues I have are that it was never tested on a 4G/9G ecu...all I wanted to do was wait for clarification from Evoscan whether or not it had actually been tested...it turns out it hasn't.

Now I know that doesn't mean that evoscan couldn't work on it, (even though they said in years past they had no interest in it, yes, we've been over this with them in the past) but the problem I have here is this...evoscan wants the end user to buy the package, and "test it"...that's evoscans job as the company selling it...NOT the end user.

What happens when it doesn't work and it "bricks" the ecu? Well SPD_FRK seems to think that's ok, because we can just "unbrick" it just like we do with all the other ecus we work on... Well, what makes you think that if you cant flash it that you can recover it if it gets bricked???!!! Chances are that, without the proper research done beforehand, (like hackish has been doing) if the ecu gets bricked it'll probably never be useable...then you're out the cost of a new ecu! Or at the least having to pay someone like hackish who actually has flashed these ecus to fix it for you...all the while you're without your daily driver having to rent a car to get back and forth to work...etc.etc.

My point is this...if someone wants to "try" this, then by all means go for it...but go into it with all the possibilities and responsibilities ready to be assumed...be prepared to buy a new ecu if needed, and have your car disabled for awhile...etc.etc. Assuming that it can just be recovered without any problem is NOT known to be true...

I wish good luck to anyone who wants to try this, I'm just saying to be prepared for the worst. We've been through this with many companies since 2006, and NO ONE, with the exception of hackish has been able to pull this off...

If you can get it to work, great, I may even try it myself...good luck to whoever wants to try to get it to work...

BrianJ

First off, welcome to GT Brian, you may learn a bit over here.

If the ECU gets bricked, which btw only is encountered when you attempt to write the ECU, we use EcuUnlocker to open the Ecu so that we can flash it. If you can't communicate with the Ecu, it is interface issue (thus which you are all currently dealing with). That is not a "bricked ECU" and something that cannot be mixed together. Two seperate issues, from two seperate causes.

If you can't flash the ECU, then how does it get bricked? If you are not writing anything to the ECU, meaning you are able to even communicate with the ECU, nothing gets corrupted within the file...UNTIL you are writing/flashing the ECU. Even with a truly bricked ECU we are still able to pull all the ROM data from the ECU (ask boostzealot for verification as we dealt with it in July on his own vehicle). You are not able to make changes to the ROM file and then write/flash to the ECU because it is "bricked." You can read, and flash a stock/un altered ROM file to the ECU as much as you want, you are just unable to flash a tuned ROM to the ECU without using EcuUnlocker.

How much experience do you have with EcuFlash though? Keep in mind you are talking to members of a community who have been using this program, dealt with many issues, resolved many of them, and developed even more within the ECU than what has currently been done by one person for the 4th Gen and 9th Gen ECUs.

THis is a community of "doers" and not "waiters," which is why you will find much more documentation on this community of technical details, and people making progress for the greater benefit of a community and not as a sole business purpose. We have already established contact with Hamish for the MMCFlash, and the fact that they offer a product at this very moment, verified working or not, he still has extended a full refund for those with the "give up and wait," attitude, or he will work wit you to make the product compatible.

Thankfully, somebody else besides hackish is willing to step up for the overall community to make it work...though very few are willing to pay up to make the contribution for the entire community's advancement. This is why we (BHM) stepped in to work directly with Hamish at EvoScan, why should everybody wait on one developer to make a community wide developement? Did the Evo Community do that for their platform? Nope, go take a peek at how many working developers they have there, and how far they have advanced an OEM ROM file for various patches. Hell, look at this very community and the advancements Isaurio has made in the last 3-4 months with our own ROM file development. My point is, we don't wait for somebody else to do the work for us...everybody here pitches in together, and makes things happen, period.

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2011, 10:32:26 PM »

I should also note another way of bricking the ECU is due to a faulty XML (Definition file), if it is not properly defined, and you make changes, then flash to the vehicle, this can corrupt the file and the ECU resulting in a "bricked ECU" as well...

BrianJ · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2011, 11:27:06 PM »

I've developed more electronic products for the 4G eclipse than anyone else on the planet...so, I'm not one to "sit around and wait"...we were the first one's in the world with an FIC on an eclipse (along with RRE) and we developed the PnP harness with the built in circuitry for the FIC to interface the MAF sensor. We developed the Foglight control module, giving 4G owners absolute control over their factory foglights...We also designed the paddle shift module, cruise control module, and the only MIVEC controller specifically designed to work on the 4G ecu to manually control Mivec activation. So I'm no stranger to development.

As I said before, we know it CAN be done...so, if you can get this new MMCFLASH to work, then great...I'm sure people will use it. Good luck to you!

SPD_FRK · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2011, 11:36:12 PM »

You specialize in that community, much the same with hackish and his reflash developement, don't be surprised that there are others out there doing the same as you. Circuitry and wiring is not easy for many people, that is why people like you are able to make so much for them, also why BHM has done what we have with our own ECU conversion harnesses along with a few other products coming this winter from us...electronics and handheld tuners, flashes, is what I at my current full time job.

It just seems more ligcal to have more people working on one issue than just one person because it just means better developement overall.

BrianJ · « **Reply #24 on:** November 24, 2011, 12:55:26 AM »

Kind of...but not really... Hackish's software isn't just for the 4G...it will be a product that is capable of handling many different makes and models...that's one of the reasons it's taking longer. The reason the 4G community has been able to benefit from my skills is because that's what I bought for a daily driver...I've been in the motorcycle industry for many years and design and make suspension and electronics solutions for them...but none of that is really on topic.

If you're willing to invest the kind of time this is going to take, then more power to you...I personally don't have that kind of spare time to make someone else's product work...personally, I'll wait till it's proven to work. I do wish you good luck though...