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Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 am

I was thinking, i don't know where i would even begin to look for a turbo exhaust manifold for our v6 6g72 engines. I don't want to get into the whole custom making think if i can avoid it. Is there a turbo kit for a 3g eclipse or something? I've tried researching kits but i can't find any that come with an exhaust manifold. I could use some help! Thanks guys.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:08 am

This is something I am actually mocking up next/currently . From what I know right now there aren't any turbo manifolds available for the 6g72/4/5 Engine platforms. It is suggested to run the Cali Spec manifolds as they are a cast manifold and more resistant to cracking. The drawback to the cast manifolds is they are not well designed for the optimum performance factor.

I have been looking to pick up a set of the Cali spec manifolds to use for my setup as they will provide a fairly straight forward bolt-on to the hot side I will fabricate. The only issue I am finding right now with how I will be setting up the hot side, is the way the rear manifold outlet faces towards the passenger side. If you run a similar setup as what many have done and run the rear manifold piping to the front where it meets the front manifold there is not much of an issue. The big problem seen with this type of setup is the hot side piping is uneven (basically the front bank will work "less" to drive the turbo than the rear bank). Once the drive pressure is increased (basically exhaust gas flow), in the mid-higher RPM ranges the "unbalanced" flow will be closer to being "balanced" between the front and rear banks.

The optimum setup (which I am setting up for, and shown in the photo below), is to set the turbo over the transmission area in the valley position of the engine (if that makes sense). This will ensure an equal amount of drive pressure (exhaust flow) to the turbine from both the front and rear banks at low-high RPM speeds. With this type of setup, and using the Cali Spec manifolds, the rear manifold is an issue as mentoned above. I would have to make a 180* connection to route the hot side piping to the turbine housing, whether there is enough space between the firewall and engine to do this or not I have yet to determine that. Another option I have to speak with my welder at work about, is if we can cut the rear manifold's exhaust exit, turn it 180* so it exits towards the driver's side and re-weld it (and having it be secure w/o cracking issues).
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The second option I am looking into is fabricating a tubular turbo manifold for the front and rear banks so both exit on the driver's side. We could just do a "log" style manifold which would have the 3 exhaust outlets from the heads dumped right into the collector, but this brings up an issue with excessive heat by the time it reaches the manifold's exit. The book "Maximum Boost" details manifolds of this nature to have excessive heat from the number of exhaust gas pulses per cycle. The design of choice for what I would need is seperate piping for each exhaust port until it reachs the outlet. If we cannot make the cast manifolds work out, then I will need to begin fabricating the tubular manifolds. I still have my stock exhaust manifolds (which are the crappy stamped design), so i would cut the manifold "piping" off the flange and use that as the base for the tubular setup.


I have more to look into and mock up to see what will work best, but I think for my specific setup the tubular manifolds will be the route I end up going. For others doing a turbo setup, it really depends on what you want to acheive/spend for the manifolds. You could easily use the Cali Spec manifolds and run the piping how I described in the beginning, or if it is found to have sufficient clearances you could easily make the 180* bend and setup as I am planning to. using the Cali Spec manifold would definitely cut out a large cost factor as well. The amount of piping needed is also far less, and it would be nearly a complete "bolt-on" deal then.


Sorry for the "book," but hopefully that helps and answers any quesitons
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:13 am

Ha no problem about the book. It's the reason i decide to ask questions here rather than other places. I don't just want a yes theres a kit out there or no theres not lol. Thanks for the info!

Btw, From the picture you provided me with. I would love to go that route. I think the whole turbo setup and tune would run so much better with a more balanced air flow. If these manifolds were made like the one in the picture, couldn't you swap the front and read manifolds to make it the other direction?
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby 4g63lover » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:55 pm

Knowing me, I would probably buy Megan headers and use the flange as a base, cut the runners and weld them into a collector with a t3 or a mitsu turbo flange and call it a day. Though, that would require knowing how to weld.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:01 pm

Keith6110 wrote:Ha no problem about the book. It's the reason i decide to ask questions here rather than other places. I don't just want a yes theres a kit out there or no theres not lol. Thanks for the info!

Btw, From the picture you provided me with. I would love to go that route. I think the whole turbo setup and tune would run so much better with a more balanced air flow. If these manifolds were made like the one in the picture, couldn't you swap the front and read manifolds to make it the other direction?

The maifolds in that picture look to be a "log" type, but it could be tubular and the photo just does not show them. You could flip the manifolds around to work for us I would imagine, same as you could put the rear cast manifold on the front (though hood clearance is an issue).

Spoke to the welder today and he said unless the cast is welded correctly it will crack. Even if correctly welded for the process of welding cast, it still has potential to crack again due to the heat. It appears at this point I will be going with the tubular design. Once I have it planned out and mocked up I will sahre more information and pictures.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby 4g63lover » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:14 pm

4g63lover wrote:Knowing me, I would probably buy Megan headers and use the flange as a base, cut the runners and weld them into a collector with a t3 or a mitsu turbo flange and call it a day. Though, that would require knowing how to weld.


Just to add, I would most likely also use the bottom portion as a downpipe. I figured a clean straight cut and GOOD welds would suffice.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:38 pm

Do they sell 3000gt kits maybe? that would be sweet just to swap front to back on those if they do.

Come to think of it.. why is the bottom of this so wide?

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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:40 pm

Which part are you referring to as "bottom?"

If you are referring to the 2 bolt flange that is what bolts up to the stock manifold. The flange portion laying on the table is actually where the turbine housing of the turbo bolts up to. Judging from that piece the manifolds may be stamped metal like the Fed spec manifolds on our cars, but w/o seeing one I can't say for sure. I haven't looked into any of the 3K GT manifolds (stock or aftermarket) to know for sure.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:41 pm

4g63lover wrote:
4g63lover wrote:Knowing me, I would probably buy Megan headers and use the flange as a base, cut the runners and weld them into a collector with a t3 or a mitsu turbo flange and call it a day. Though, that would require knowing how to weld.


Just to add, I would most likely also use the bottom portion as a downpipe. I figured a clean straight cut and GOOD welds would suffice.

The 4cyl platforms are much easier for turbo manifolds. Many aftermarket options available to use (both cast and tubular), so fabricating your own isn't really necessary as it is with the V6 platform
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:25 pm

SPD_FRK wrote:Which part are you referring to as "bottom?"

If you are referring to the 2 bolt flange that is what bolts up to the stock manifold. The flange portion laying on the table is actually where the turbine housing of the turbo bolts up to. Judging from that piece the manifolds may be stamped metal like the Fed spec manifolds on our cars, but w/o seeing one I can't say for sure. I haven't looked into any of the 3K GT manifolds (stock or aftermarket) to know for sure.


Alright, it looks as if it may work tho. I'll have to do some more research on it and gather a parts list. That would make everyones v6 turbo lives easier if it was something as simple as swapping front and back manifolds.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:40 pm

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Found that on Ebay. I am not so sure the 3000GT manifolds would work out for us since the exhaust ports are more oval shaped than round like the ports on our heads. The up side however is that the exhaust outlet would be facing the right way for us to us.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:25 am

its facing the right siide!? thats good news! There's a 3000gt in my yard. i'll take the exhaust manifold off and take pics. I don't think its turbo tho. I just want to get measurements off that 3000gt exhaust and see how much ours in different. I have my old motor ripped apart right now so its it will be easy to compare.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:33 am

Yea, biggest issue I can see us having is an efficient exhaust flow due to the round ports on our heads, going into the oval port on the 3K GT's exh manifolds. I did happen to find something very useful for the tubular manifold fabrication though. 8-)
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:31 am

SPD_FRK wrote:Yea, biggest issue I can see us having is an efficient exhaust flow due to the round ports on our heads, going into the oval port on the 3K GT's exh manifolds. I did happen to find something very useful for the tubular manifold fabrication though. 8-)



niice, keep us posted please! I would like to copy a successful design :mrgreen:
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Spdracr » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:14 pm

4g63lover wrote:Knowing me, I would probably buy Megan headers and use the flange as a base, cut the runners and weld them into a collector with a t3 or a mitsu turbo flange and call it a day. Though, that would require knowing how to weld.


us four bangers has is easier than v6 guys

but I'm confused about what u r trying to say here would you care to explain
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Spdracr » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:25 pm

SPD_FRK wrote:
4g63lover wrote:
4g63lover wrote:Knowing me, I would probably buy Megan headers and use the flange as a base, cut the runners and weld them into a collector with a t3 or a mitsu turbo flange and call it a day. Though, that would require knowing how to weld.


Just to add, I would most likely also use the bottom portion as a downpipe. I figured a clean straight cut and GOOD welds would suffice.

The 4cyl platforms are much easier for turbo manifolds. Many aftermarket options available to use (both cast and tubular), so fabricating your own isn't really necessary as it is with the V6 platform


I know we have an issue clearing the starter with the evo 8 setup and I think the T3 turbo clears it without a problem but I'm not a 100% sure. Other than that what other options do we have ??

I'm trying to find a local rig welder which is almost impossible around here so he can it and reweld the manifold to clear the starter for me
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:29 pm

Well initial cost projection for the turbo manifolds to fab is running in the $200 area, not inlcuding the crossover pipe where the turbo will mount to.

3 into 1 Collector
180* U and J Bends
3 Bolt Flanges
T3 Flange
2 Donut Tubes

Comes out to $198.00


Not too bad for material cost, though not in stainless (as I will be ceramic coating and wrapping the pipes) it isn't as high as I anticipated just for the manifold sections.


As far as the 4cyl market for turbo manifolds, you have a wide array of aftermarket options out there. Ivory8g is actually running on of those options on his setup. Let's try and keep the 4cyl discussion seperate from the V6 though so this doesn't get confusing for others.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby mysticj » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:14 pm

The 3KGT exhaust ports are oval but the spacing are the same as the 6g7x SOHC. But finding turbo tubular headers from the 3KGT aren't cheap. A lot of guys from the Land of Down Under with Magna/Diamante use a 3-1 header design with turbo mount over the tranny. I'll post pics of it later on tonite.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby SPD_FRK » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:23 am

That is pretty much the same layout as what I am looking at doing. The manifolds will be a bit different and there will be a crossover pipe to connect the front and rear banks. You can get those 3 into 1 collectors (kits as well) from ConeEng.com for roughly $90 which is not bad at all...they also include "bullets" to help smooth the exhaust flow entering into the collector.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby Keith6110 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:39 am

that is sweet mysticj. Thanks for the pics and stuff. Looks great mounted over the tranny.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby beam514 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:26 am

that turbo piping is.. awesome. lol
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby m-rod » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:51 pm

Damn!!! Those manifolds are kickass.
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Re: Turbo exhaust manifold?

Postby CMC » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:34 pm

mysticj what type of spacer is that?
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